With an anti-Islamist group handing out flyers in town last week against the proposed building of a new mosque in Killerisk, Gavin O’Connor spoke to Chairman of the Kerry Islamic Outreach Society, Dr Rizwan Khan, about attitudes towards the Islamic community in Tralee and how they are integrating in the local community…
Rizwan Khan, Chairman of The Kerry Islamic Outreach Centre. Photo by Gavin O’Connor.
Kerry has the largest amount of Muslims in Ireland outside of Dublin, Cork and Limerick and according to the last census in 2011 there are 833 Muslims in Tralee, over 1,500 in the county and that number is believed to have risen since.
Kerry Islamic Outreach Society was established in 2013, based in Tralee, and their work primarily involves working within the community towards various projects in order to help the most needy people of the community like elderly and children with special needs.
The Society has successfully organised various events like the annual Islamic Cultural Exhibition and participated in several events to promote charity, awareness and education on various topics.
The three objectives of the Kerry Islamic Outreach Society are “promoting integration, breaking barriers and clearing misconceptions about Islam by providing evidence based information,” said Dr Khan, when I spoke to him during the week.
“We were delighted by the publicity of the article in Traleetoday.ie. Even though it was about something anti-Islamic, we were happy with the response. We have to see what is happening here in Tralee and what was important was that most of the people from the town were supportive,” he said.
“If you look at the local comments [under the post on the Facebook page], we would say a maximum of four or five people from the town were making negative comments. We built the Kerry Islamic Outreach in order to dispel the misconception [of Islam] from media.”
“Those people [making negative comments] are not getting their knowledge of Islam from first hand experience and so makes them stereotype. We believe that Muslims have to take some responsibility, so that’s why we do an information stall twice a month in The Square, where people can talk to us about any clarification,” he said.
“Many people have approached us to talk about Islam, they ask us questions about ISIS, Boko Haram and many acts of terrorism and we give them a very straightforward answer; that those groups do not belong to Muslims at all. We condemn them, the exact way any other person would do. Everybody, including us, hates and condemn acts of barbarism, killing and injustice. Repeatedly we have sent this message through radio and newspapers for the past two years,” he said.
“We always say that do not look at the people for making an impression of the religion as no one is perfect and people do make mistakes. Irish Muslims want to be a part of wider Irish society. We are a minority and we must accept that, so we have to work with the majority. If we isolate ourselves it is good for no one. In fact, it is worse for our community,” said Dr Khan.
Every Thursday night during the summer, volunteers from the Kerry Islamic Outreach Society are out cleaning the streets with Tralee Tidy Towns. They raised funds for Enable Ireland through their annual exhibition, they are instrumental in coastal clean ups at Banna and offer support at the women’s refuge centre, Adapt along with various organisations including Red Cross Kerry, Animal Help Net, Jacket Off Your Back, Glow Hearts for Crumlin, Donal Walsh Live Life and many more.
“We like to integrate with everybody. We don’t want division, we want more harmony. So anyone doing something that is dividing the community, we are against that. It’s ironic that when the anti-Islamic group were distributing leaflets in the town centre, our volunteers were involved in charity work and were helping participants in the Ring of Kerry cycle event,” he said.
One of the most emotive issues around the building of the new mosque is whether a public address system call to prayer will be included with the 23 metre tall minaret that is in the planning.
“The call to prayer has been an issue raised, but nobody has said because there is a minaret the call to prayer is going to happen. The minaret is a traditional thing. So having a minaret doesn’t mean we are asking for a call to prayer,” he said.
“There is not a chance it will happen because the neighbours’ rights are our utmost priority in Islam. The mosque is moving [from the entrance to Fortfield estate on the Killerisk road] only for one reason; because it is in housing estate. Where it is moving to, is an industrial estate.”
“So basically, it’s not a new mosque, it is a transfer of the mosque. The most important thing is to move from there in order to facilitate the neighbourhood the mosque is in now. At the moment the cars are chock-a-block, which is fine at this moment, but we don’t want any hassle for our respectable neighbourhood in future, so anticipating for a good cause should be acknowledged rather than condemned,” he said.
“For the last 20 years there has been a mosque in Clonskeagh in Dublin with a minaret and there is no call to prayer, so saying there is going to be a call to prayer in Tralee is just scaremongering,” he added.
Finally, I put it to Dr Khan that there is also quite a bit of worry – in some quarters – that before long, Ireland will have the same issue with Muslim extremists and non-integration as in the UK at the moment.
But he said education and promoting integration among the Muslim communities in Ireland will prevent extremism here.
“Muslims came to Ireland first at least 30 years ago, and they came as doctors and medical professionals only. We are considered to have the most educated Muslim population in Europe. It is small, but professional and that’s a reality.”
“If you compare that with England, Muslims came from a very different background in the 1950s. Many of them were not educated, their children never went to English schools. Whereas in Ireland this is not the case. The majority of the muslims send their children to schools.”
“Here in Tralee, we are proud to send our children to various Catholic schools. Most Muslim parents in Tralee send their daughters to the Presentation school preferably, so where is the non-integration there? Where is the isolation there?”
Thanks so very much Traleetoday team for taking our view.
Just a quick comment :
Kerry Islamic Outreach Society (KIOS) is a separate group from Kerry Islamic Cultural Centre who are behind plans for a new mosque at a site in Killerisk.
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“Dr. Khan …. believes that Muslims in Ireland are doing a better job of integrating into Irish society…” this is a very welcome sign. it hasn’t always been very evident. ….
i have attempted to befriend Irish Muslims and have even visited the Clonskeagh mosque immam. in fact i even represented his son’s Egyptian prison plight to the government, over a year ago.
sadly that immam hadn’t the courtesy or cultural gumption to either respond, or even thank me for that gesture, even though i cc’d him in on those email exchanges with the Minister concerned…
Dear Louis, Unfortunately just like not all fingers are the same not all Muslims are the same. Imam in the mosque you mentioned have no understanding of English even after been in the country for more than 25/30 years which is a shame. So please do not feel bad about it . The person can not communicate. Many many hundreds of muslims struggle to communicate with him and thats a fact. Appreciate your effort. God bless.
Why not a call to prayer from the mosque to the faithful?
The question of the Christian Church Bells ringing does not arise, therefore it should not be an inconvenience to the community when the Muslims call the congregation to prayer.
Obviously Tom is not living in Killerisk or Manor.
No mention that this mosque is being proposed near one of the biggest estates in Tralee whose residents are already having a hard enought time exiting their estate since Manor Shopping center was constructed.
A lovely new bypass road constructed and opportunity to put in new access road missed, typical of the donkeys running the local council…….
Mike: Have you been to current mosque ? Do you even know that its less than 500 meters from the previous mosque? Are you aware of the fact that residents living near that area which is with in 500 meters vicinity of the current mosque how many of them are muslim families ?
Your opinion of dysfunctional council and its planning cannot be put on the mosque. Its extremely unfair to be honest.
Peace to you.
Hi Kerry Muslim,
I am currently aware of twhere the current mosque is and why i may not have been inside my children have and i have no problem with the muslim faith and i am also aware of the number in my area who are of the muslim faith and i in no way degenerated your religion. I simply said this location i would deem unsuitable due to the presence of one of the largest estates in Tralee being present across the road and that all residents , Muslim included are having difficulties exiting the estate, this i not a religion thing it is a logistical one.
Peace to you.
We are happy to have a place of worship for 1000 muslims in this town . Call to prayer, no need for that at all. Church bells should continue as its a christian country and we acknowledge plus appreciate it whole heartedly.
Peace
Hi Tom.
I’m in total agreement with you regarding the Call/s to Prayer from the Mosque.
I would welcome a Mosque with Minaret in the town where I live so will not be objecting to P.P. being requested and hope Kerry Co. Council do the right thing here and grant the Mosque, bells and all.
Where I live we have a church that rings its bells 24/7.
So at 4am it’s 4 Bells.
At 12 Noon? 12 Bells……….plus 3 Rings of 3 & then a 9 Bell so 30 times the bells toll/bell tolls and at 6pm it’s reduced to a paltry 24!
No P.P. was required for them to do this so I believe whether locally or nationally, a precedent has been set on this one.
Full duck or no dinner as they say.
I’m not familiar with Tralee (more au-fait with Kenmare and Killarney) but do the churches there ring their bells out during the day?
If so, and if P.P. hasn’t been applied for initially or retrospectively then the county council can’t conceivably require that the Mosque doesn’t broadcast it’s Calls to Prayer (2 if I’m correct?) daily.
Even if Killarney or other towns and villages have churches where the church bells or cathedral bells ring out, a precedent within the county has been set already.
I hope Tralee gets its Mosque and I hope other towns in Ireland such as my own also get theirs; where I live our catchment area for those of the Islamic faith would be huge so the demand/potential is there.
Just some facts ?
In Islam, No Distinction between Church and State?
Hence, an Islamic Church is a form of state.
Definition of DHIMMI. : a person living in a region overrun by Muslim conquest who was accorded a protected status and allowed to retain his or her original faith.
Restrictions on Dhimmis in Islamic Countries
They were not permitted to build new churches, temples, or synagogues; they were allowed to renovate old churches and synagogues (those prior to the Islamic conquests) so long as there are no new additions. No churches or synagogues are accepted in the Arab Peninsula.
They were not allowed to sell or distribute sacred texts in public places.
They were not allowed to read their sacred texts out loud, even in their homes.
Crosses could not be displayed in houses or places of worship.
Religious activities could not be broadcast or discussed in published magazines or newspapers, nor were public religious gatherings allowed.
They also had to wear distinctive clothing and badges; Muslims were also forbidden from wearing the clothes of the dhimmis.
Muammar Gaddafi’s quote: “We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.”?
Muslims observe the formal prayers at the following times:
Fajr (pre-dawn): This prayer starts off the day with the remembrance of God; it is performed before sunrise.
Dhuhr (noon): After the day’s work has begun, one breaks shortly after noon to again remember God and seek His guidance.
‘Asr (afternoon): In the late afternoon, people are usually busy wrapping up the day’s work, getting kids home from school, etc. It is an important time to take a few minutes to remember God and the greater meaning of our lives.
Maghrib (sunset): Just after the sun goes down, Muslims remember God again as the day begins to come to a close.
‘Isha (evening): Before retiring for the night, Muslims again take time to remember God’s presence, guidance, mercy, and forgiveness.
In Muslim communities, people are reminded of the daily prayer times through the calling of the adhan. For those in Muslim-minority communities, computerized adhan programs are available.
In ancient times, one merely looked at the sun to determine the various times of day for prayer. In more modern times, daily prayer schedules are often printed which precisely pinpoint the beginning of each prayer
The following link; “Glasgow Central Mosque Adhan from external speakers”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbrHH9XS9Dk
More noise intrusion than Christian Church Bells ringing?
Dear Martin,
As mentioned in the article that its scaremongering than anything. No one is planning to do call to prayer so its pointless to make an issue which does not exist in this case by sending Glasgow mosque clip.
We believe better attitude as a community than comparing with wrongs.
You need to get out of internet and see the real world. Probably go to any Muslims country and you will see all faith symbols, prayers places. Copy and paste of Dhimmis, there is no such thing exist, so see whats the reality. Dubai is thriving with all faith now. Turkey is always cosmopolitan. Indonesia Malaysia always attract tourists. Please Visit Turkey, Iran , Iraq ,Lebanon, Morocoo, Kuwait and many many muslim countries to see new and old churches plus excellent christian run school . Go to Jordan to see history and now biggest cross in Asia will be erected in Pakistan with appreciation from local . link as follows:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1183333
Problem is when people become stereotype they tarnish all with same brush. Irish Muslims are not just emigrants they are born and brought up here too and they are part of society like anyone else. Trying to divide community by hate is not worthy. Please stop comparing Ireland with any other nation which is one of the common notion of islamophobes. Irish are not British…period. We have our own history and culture and we are proud of it. Similarly stop comparing Irish Muslims with the rest. We are here to stay with peace and harmony. Please stop copying and paste from Islamophbic websites. Try to understand Islam with open mind from a muslim or visit Tralee mosque and you will have a pleasant surprise.
Peace to you and your family.
The friendly and hospitable Muslims in Tralee are enhancing our community. Sadly there is a concerted effort by mainstream media worldwide to misrepresent ordinary Muslim people and persons were paid to distribute those nasty leaflets in Tralee. Luckily we are a small community and we know our neighbours.
Personally I lived in Iran, Kuwait, Dubai, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The people were wonderful, and apart from Saudi Arabia. I had a wonderful 17 years among Muslims.
Probably send some pictures of churches , synagogues and temple from there too Anna to show people reality vs fairy tale/lies.
My criticism of the Muslim community focuses on the question of human rights in modern Islamic nations, and the treatment of women in Islamic law and practice. Also on Islam’s influence on the ability of Muslim immigrants in the West to assimilate is very genuinely debatable.
Just one example of integration is on marriage, when a Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian woman, but a Christian man is not permitted to marry a Muslim woman. Islam allows Muslim men to marry Christian women, period. It does not allow a Christian man to marry a Muslim woman. So Islam’s alleged “openness” and tolerance” and “non-discrimination” is a one-way street.
As I said before and as I say again “In Islam, No Distinction between Church and State?
Hence, an Islamic Church is a form of state.” So, as far as I am concerned – a “de facto state within a state” and should not be tolerated by any native population.
One radical cleric or one extremist is all it takes to shatter the freedom, peace and security of the native state. This is what has happened in other worldwide nations with more sizeable Muslim populations far too many times already.
This is not so much an issue on religion per say. But Muslim Integration which on the face of it fails when women walk around in the niqāb and you cannot tell if it is your so called integrated neighbour or not! Obviously the native people’s feelings, culture, customs or concerns are of no consequence?
My concern is genuine as the Muslim community does not seem to understand or get it?
But, please if you live in the West, live as if you are in the West, not the Middle East? After all is said and done, if I want to visit or see or hear the Middle East, I will travel there. I do not want to be made feel like I live the Middle East in my own native Land and I do not want the troubles of the Middle East. We already have our own troubles for far too long!
It should be welcome to the West, to my culture, not the other way around! I do not care if you are Gay or not (I am proud the Irish nation recently voted positively on Gay marriage), the colour of your skin or race or sex or religion too should not matter.
Welcome to “openness” and tolerance” and “non-discrimination”. By the way the system only works in participation and practice?
My response to nameless, “Kerry Muslim”.
The issues above are real and do not just exist on the internet. There have been many Irish victims in such worldwide (911, 711 & Tunisia beach resort attack) Islamic terror attacks so far and counting. There is an estimated 30 real Irish passport holders fighting for Islamic state.
I am not Islamophobic or brain washed by Western media, propaganda, fairy tales or lies. Islam has some real issues when dealing with another. Islamic is phobic to anything or anyone that does not fall into line with it and that’s a fact?
Islam seems to exist by imposing itself on others even when it’s not wanted?
there are also thousands of muslims fighting against Islamic state what about them .
Dear Martin,
Lets see your opinion bit by bit
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“My criticism of the Muslim community focuses on the question of human rights in modern Islamic nations, and the treatment of women in Islamic law and practice. Also on Islam’s influence on the ability of Muslim immigrants in the West to assimilate is very genuinely debatable.”
A: Would you elaborate Modern Islamic nations as I see majority either under dictatorship or western backed puppets. There is no real democracy in any nation except very few. Human rights violence is happening in many developed nations too and blame the government and policies rather than the religion. If in USA cops killed an afro carribean citizen, would you blame the religion or lack of clarity in the law of giving justice to the citizens. Human rights violation or human rights exploitation has been universally condemned in the text of every religion. Blame the people not the faith as all faith teaches peace. Human trafficking is a very human right big issue at this moment in developed world. Should we blame the faith or the policies plus the people.
Just one example of integration is on marriage, when a Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian woman, but a Christian man is not permitted to marry a Muslim woman. Islam allows Muslim men to marry Christian women, period. It does not allow a Christian man to marry a Muslim woman. So Islam’s alleged “openness” and tolerance” and “non-discrimination” is a one-way street.
A: In Islam you are not allowed to drink alcohol or any addiction. There is no compulsion in religion. You like it grand take it otherwise leave it. I think its not valid to give muslim countries example as none of us are living there and topic is about western world and muslim living in western countries. In western world muslim women are marrying christian men and vice versa and no one is killing them for apostasy because law of the land allows it. If any muslim have a problem and want to strictly follow the rule then they are welcome to go muslim countries which binds muslim women not to marry non muslim men. Its a fact and ruling but who is pushing it here, it has been open broken here.
As I said before and as I say again “In Islam, No Distinction between Church and State?
Says who my friend ? so you are saying that a mosque is a facto state within state ? Am i right to extract this idea from your above statement. if this is the case, its untrue.
Hence, an Islamic Church is a form of state.” So, as far as I am concerned – a “de facto state within a state” and should not be tolerated by any native population.
This is quiet unauthentic or non referenced statement tbh. Definitely there is no such thing like that exist. first ever migration in the history of Islam was toward Ethiopia which was ruled by a just christian ruler and muslims never did anything over there which you mentioned. Muslims are suppose to follow the law of the land esp in Eire where a complete religious freedom has been guaranteed even much more freedom than most of the islamic countries. Overall majority of muslims not only accept it but appreciate it too.
One radical cleric or one extremist is all it takes to shatter the freedom, peace and security of the native state. This is what has happened in other worldwide nations with more sizeable Muslim populations far too many times already.
Well one radical person in any community can be a bad influence and why only muslim sto single out. You have EDL in UK , KKK in US and many more fascist movement in Europe- Pegida etc. Are they all not coming under same category like one bad radical cleric. All should be dealt swiftly by the law enforcement agencies in a similar fashion.
This is not so much an issue on religion per say.
Thank you for this statement , i agree that muslims should be blame for the bad things not the faith as once they don’t follow faith and follow something kind of customised cultural version, they become confused. Many of us do believe in “Do in Rome as Roman do”. If some people don’t follow it , then policies should be done towards better integration. Immigration policies can be looked upon too to deal with the problem.
But Muslim Integration which on the face of it fails when women walk around in the niqāb and you cannot tell if it is your so called integrated neighbour or not! Obviously the native people’s feelings, culture, customs or concerns are of no consequence?
My concern is genuine as the Muslim community does not seem to understand or get it?
There was a report published few years back that in whole Eire there are less 80 ladies with niqab out of 50,000 muslims (http://www.nwci.ie/?/news/article/beyond_the_veil) . Certainly if any country’s law ban it then every one will follow it . Otherwise if someone is following the tradition of niqab then it comes under freedom of dressing. Certainly many people might not be confortable with emo rock clothes or paints hanging down to the thighs proudly showing backside but that all comes under tolerance and freedom of expression. So you need to tolerate other cultures as we are living in a diverse society. But if law to ban niqb comes, then muslim should abide it.
But, please if you live in the West, live as if you are in the West, not the Middle East?
Well you sound like a dictator now and your tolerance towards diversity is null. Live and let live is the slogan . Freedom to all is the pride of the west. We are not living in middle east so why to give example of it.
After all is said and done, if I want to visit or see or hear the Middle East, I will travel there. I do not want to be made feel like I live the Middle East in my own native Land and I do not want the troubles of the Middle East. We already have our own troubles for far too long!
I appreciate what you are saying but this is a quiet common stereotype statement. if you dislike someone from Middle east even because of over anxiety and thinking its your personal issue. Troubles of Middle east coming here, I cant see any logic in that statement. ITT Tralee accepts around 200 Middle Eastern students every year like many other institutes. At least above 2 million euros generated from those students by living , renting the place, shopping etc in Tralee ONLY. They are not on social welfare etc and they are law abiding citizens. They do dress western way but sometimes they do like to wear their cultural clothes . Perhaps a bit of tolerance towards those legal legitimate temporary residents are warranted and they means no harm to anyone. Again you gave a swift statement for all middle east which comprises of millions of people and you gave them all bad name unfortunately.
It should be welcome to the West, to my culture, not the other way around! I do not care if you are Gay or not (I am proud the Irish nation recently voted positively on Gay marriage), the colour of your skin or race or sex or religion too should not matter.
Welcome to “openness” and tolerance” and “non-discrimination”. By the way the system only works in participation and practice?
Well you are shouting the slogan of openness but your above statement are full of concern without any facts. If you have voted for openness / tolerance ad non-discrimination, your statement towards universal middle east and their people, your statement of niqab in your neighbourhood is not going in that direction at all. Our current Irish law guarantees religious freedom and freedom to wear whatever people want to wear and if you are an open person and tolerant and “non – discriminatory ” then i cant see any justification of your above statement. Very vague example of Western world / Middle East trouble and ends up with a note towards openness and tolerance. I find it a bit two faced tbh.
My response to nameless, “Kerry Muslim”.
The issues above are real and do not just exist on the internet. There have been many Irish victims in such worldwide (911, 711 & Tunisia beach resort attack) Islamic terror attacks so far and counting. There is an estimated 30 real Irish passport holders fighting for Islamic state.
Apologies for not mentioning my name . My name is Ahmed and I am a proud Irish who happened to be a Muslim as well living in Kerry.
Tell me please which issues who have been talking about exist in Ireland. Above interview of Dr Khan mentioned clearly that Muslim population of Ireland and UK are very different. We condemn and share grievance with all the families who are the victim of terrorism, there is absolutely no if and buts in it. But lets be honest to ourselves too that we both agree that Islamic state is a menace for humanity not just to one faith or race. They have murdered multiple times more muslims than any other faith isn’t it. This week in Turkey, they killed Muslims. No one support them and they should be eradicated. 30 Irish passport holder went for fight, thats something we all are worried/concerned and we need to see the cause of their radicalisation and policies should be developed how to tackle this. Totally support and share this concern as this is our common concern.
I am not Islamophobic or brain washed by Western media, propaganda, fairy tales or lies. Islam has some real issues when dealing with another. Islamic is phobic to anything or anyone that does not fall into line with it and that’s a fact?
Islam seems to exist by imposing itself on others even when it’s not wanted?
You does seem over cautious and thats absolutely fine and we all want safety for our loved ones. But putting one paint on all Irish muslims is a bit unfair to be honest. As i said many muslim does not follow teaching of Islam and want to follow culture but for their own mental satisfaction call it part of Islam. For example women oppression , their entrance towards education , women cant drive etc, nothing to do with Islam and should be condemned and resisted. At the end , what religion do is to give us guidelines and then its our common sense and surroundings. Hope people use some wisdom rather than blindly follow something and in return receive blind condemnation.
Peace to you my friend.
There are no Islamic countries , they are all run by dictatoships . What have they got to do with muslims in Ireland . Mexico and south American countries have a higher murder rate than all the so called muslims countries put together . Which means according to you retaded thinking then that all you catholic Christians in Ireland are worst than the muslims you complain about
Islam is a religio-political ideology of conquest, complete with it’s own law system (Sharia) – so the commentator you are working so hard to diffuse is correct, and you are not being completely honest.
It is also quite disingenuous to pretend that Westerners shouldn’t have EVERY reason to mistrust Islam, as we can see, across the world, that every nation that ends up with a sizeable population of Muslims faces severe troubles. Ireland is just beginning to throw off its last oppressor, Christianity, and along comes Islam. No thanks.
Already Muslims in Ireland are demanding that Catholic schools remove Catholic symbols from their uniforms, and crosses from walls, claiming that it’s ‘offensive’ to Muslims. They are demanding changes in holidays, gym class, seperation of genders, – many, many demands, all against OUR culture and ways.
We need only look at Britain, France, Holland, Sweden, and many more to see where this is inevitably headed. Islam comes to the West and abuses our tolerance; uses our liberties against us to assert their dominance. There WILL be trouble when the population gains enough numbers. Islams prime directive is to conquer the world, and the West is helping them doing it in their own countries.
And Ireland, which can’t even fully employ it’s own people thanks to EU policies, continues as a member of the EU, having enforced immigration quotas put upon it.
Foolish, foolish, foolish. Well, if the West is that stupid, perhaps it deserves what it gets.
Sharia literely means’ path to water ” it just means a person path to god .the ten commands are sharia . sharia is just meant prevent people from doing bad things its not meant to be used the these dictators use it to oppress the muslim populations Those countries are dictatorships , all dictatorships behave badly
Lastly:
” Everyone has been waiting for this for years, and at last it has happened. The historic happening took place in Ireland, a nation hitherto not distinguished for standing in the cultural vanguard, but all that will change now, thanks to a rally hosted by a group calling itself the Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council, which has finally delivered to the world the desire of the ages: Muslims rallying against terrorism!
Surely tens of thousands of Muslims attended, right? You know, that vast majority of Muslims who abhor and reject terrorism? Those moderates upon whom the leaders of Western countries are betting the very futures of their nations turned out in droves, didn’t they?
Well, not exactly. RTE News reported this on Sunday about the blessed event: “Up to 50 people took part in a rally organised by the Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council to protest over the actions of the so-called Islamic State.”
That’s right. I’m afraid the turnout was, uh, fifty people. Not fifty thousand. Fifty.”
There are over 60,000 Muslims – at least – In Ireland. How big was the anti-ISIL rally in Kerry, again?
How big was the anti irish terrosts bombing in London , not one even marched against that
Has the Kerry Council asked who is funding this huge mosque?
I don’t believe muslims. Why should a Roman Catholic majority country commit to equal treatment of a hostile alien religion that threatens the death sentence against any who leave it?
There are no Roman Catholic churches in Saudi Arabia and a Roman Catholic burial is a criminal offense there – as is bringing a Bible into the country.
When you read an article like this published from a naïve perspective ponder on the bare faced deception that underpins it and that such deception is part and parcel of the theology of islam…….as are fake posts from muslims pretending to be Irish and banging on about church bells and how wonderfully welcoming Saudi is.
From Wikipedia but the same information is available for wnyone who wants to know how Irish Roman Catholics or Irish secularists are viewed.
The young muslims in Dublin I have listened to hold Irish Roman Catholics in complete disrespect and are interestingly uniform in the bizzare ‘inner myth’ of the militant muslim in Ireland – that ultimately sharia will be introduced and Irish Roman Catholics are too thick and poorly lead to see though the deliberate deceit.
Oil money from rotten muslim tyrants is funding these unwanted buildings.
If the lesson is giving a few jobs to muslims in the medical field results in an attempt to long term undermine and destroy a nation in ‘submission’ to sharia – then it was clearly an error.
Lots of mosques and jobs in majority muslim countries. That would be your best bet if you need one so badly.
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“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully (illā an tattaqū minhum tuqāt).”
The two words tattaqū (“you fear”) and tuqāt “in fear” are derived from this root, and the abstract noun taqiyyah refers to the general principle connected with the situation described here, first recorded in a Qur’anic gloss by Al-Bukhari (9th century).[10]
Regarding 3:28, Ibn Kathir writes, “meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.” He quotes Muhammad’s companion, Abu Ad-Darda’, who said “we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them,” and Al-Hasan who said “the Tuqyah is acceptable till the Day of Resurrection.”[11]
I have no time for you and neither will most Irish people outside of the chattering classes in Dublin who are utterly disconnected from the vast majority of the population. This is not the UK or France. Religious strife and sectarianism has a long history here sadly and there could be no more stupid place on earth for building mosques. You muslims offer nothing here except discord and division spanning generations
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu’adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu’adh asked, “What is wrong with this (man)?” Abu Musa replied, “He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism.” Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271